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April 13, 2010

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Excellent work. This is part of what lead us to start up Redstone Science Fiction - http://redstonesciencefiction.com. A quality online genre magazine can gain acceptance and traffic quickly.

Maybe I'm misreading the whole voting process, but couldn't it just be that the genre community is more organized about voting for what they like?

JeffV

Mr. Vandermeer, the general readership does not vote to name notable stories. Only the judges can do that. The general readership votes to choose a winner after Jason Sanford has chosen ten finalists from among the notable stories.

Robert,

Well then isn't the answer merely that the judges are showing their biases?

You'll have to take up the issue with Jason Sanford. He appoints the judges.

The notable stories were selected by 18 preliminary judges, only 5 of whom are known specifically for focusing on genre fiction. The reason Fantasy Magazine and the other genre magazines did so well is that so many of the judges--including the non-genre focused judges--picked their stories. The judges also didn't know who their fellow judges were, making it difficult to conspire to pick certain types of stories. As a result, I don't believe there is anyway for all of them to be showing a "genre" bias. Instead, each judge simply selected what he or she believed to be the best online stories of 2009.

Just FYI, here are the judges: http://www.storysouth.com/millionwriters/millionwritersnotable_2009.html#Judges

All it takes to make the notable list is the support of one judge, right? What percentage of the notable genre stories were picked by the non-genre judges? Did the genre judges pick many non-genre stories?

If you look at the smaller set of stories that were picked by multiple judges, does it still skew towards genre?

I have to disagree with Richard and Jason. As I understand it, the main pool the judges choose from is nominated by readers and editors, yes? I don't wish to disparage the million writer award at all, but a casual glance at the nominated stories notes that a lot of the most famous literary magazine editors do not nominate stories from their magazines and likewise many of those magazines are not nominated by their readers. Magazines like Mississippi Review and Conjunctions aren't in the pool for 2010. On the other hand, it seems all the major genre magazines are nominating or getting their readers to nominate.

This seems like a likely source of the genre disparity in the award.

Neil: Yes, to make the notable list at least one judge had to select a story. While I haven't crunched the numbers on which stories were picked by genre vs. non-genre judges, from what I recall there wasn't a clear division between the two. While genre judges tended to select more genre stories, they also selected non-genre stories. The same happened with the non-genre judges.

As for whether the smaller set of stories picked by multiple judges skews towards genre, I'll have to look at those stories and see. Off the top of my head I don't know the answer.

Someguy: One indicator of which magazines and stories make the notable list is whether or not a magazine has stories nominated by either their editors or readers. This year the Narrative Magazine editors didn't nominate any stories--the first time in years they failed to do so. I'm sure this was part of the reason why they didn't have as many notable stories as before. The judges are only able to read so many stories, and having the editors and readers suggest worthy stories to consider helps the process immensely.

But that said, I'm not sure "a lot of the most famous literary magazine editors" didn't nominate stories for this year's award (aside from Narrative). Literary magazines which first publish in print and then reprint or cross-publish online are not eligible to take part in the Million Writers Award. But a vast majority of the top online-only fiction magazines always seem to take part.

Hey Jason, like I said I'm not disparaging the award at all. Certainly judges can only be expected to read so many stories. But if all of the top genre magazines are nominating and getting their readers to nominate, but many of the top literary magazines are not doing either, then that would help explain the literary-genre disparity. As for whether many aren't, you mentioned Narrative and I mentioned Web Conjunctions and Mississippi Review. That's already three top literary websites. I don't see Hobart, elimae, Opium, flatmancrooked, and others glancing at the editor nominations page.

It is certainly the editors own faults, but I think that it is a factor.

We are missing an important point here: sf and fantasy readers share a strong consensus as to which of their magazines are the best. A half-dozen print mags and a half-dozen ezines are considered "must-read" and every writer submits to them first; the remaining magazines get the rejects.

The New Yorker, Poetry and a few other mainstream print mags are "must-read" for their audience, but the situation online is much more splintered--there is no reasonably short shortlist of "must-read" ezines. Perhaps that is because there is too much outstanding material produced within mainstream traditions to be contained in any half-dozen ezines. Whatever the case, expect a few top sf/fantasy ezines to keep getting judges' nominations in bunches.

How about an explanation as simple as this: People like to read great stories, period.

As someone who writes crime fiction (and has a piece on the “notables” list), I have found that a *lot* of people are drawn to stories involving themes such as dysfunction, greed, violence, lust, revenge, perversion and psychosis. After all, aren’t these elements of the human condition? And most people love to read what happens when interesting characters are put in challenging and extreme situations. … I have found that many of the same people who write literary-genre fiction (and read Wolff and Carver and the New Yorker) also love to read crime-genre stories -- in fact, I have found that the more I warn them that "this piece is not for those with delicate sensibillities, nor for anyone who'd rather not read about 60-minute headlocks and the innappropriate use of toilet systems," the more these folks read these stories. Maybe that's because, at the end of the day, a good story stands on its own.

Every story can be categorized, if someone really wants to do that. Literary-genre fiction can be categorized just as easily as crime-genre fiction. I could rail off a long list of the most common, heavily repeated tell-tale devices, characteristics and ploys of literary-genre fiction (as I could for crime), but I think I’ll stop here …

After all, isn’t the Million Writers Award supposed to be about recognizing great online stories, period?

Story Writer: Makes sense to me. The story is always the thing!

Ah, the internet; where a man can't make a simple, non-controversial statement about a set of perfectly straightforward statistics without people showing up to piss all over it, for no apparent reason and to no evident advantage (including a couple of big names who don't really need the notoriety and probably ought to know better).

Ah, the internet; where some people can attempt to engage forthrightly with a proposed conclusion to see if it's sound, but there's always some snide little troll trying to derail the conversation because they apparently don't know better and do need the notoriety.

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