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March 03, 2010

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Just correcting a little; the old system had three steps (recommendations, preliminary ballot, final ballot)-- the new system eliminates the first step, which was the public one (recommendations), and goes directly to the second step, choosing the final ballot. By confusing the words "nominating" with "recommending," you're slightly obscuring the actual rules.
In the previous rules, the selection of the final ballot was done by a secret ballot. In the new system, it is the same. (Except now you can do your votes over a period of time, and people can watch how others are voting before finalizing their votes.)

Thanks for clarifying this. I was trying to avoid going into too much mind-numbing detail on the complexity of the old system, but I should have mentioned that. I should also note, though, that the new system still has a recommendations step where members can recommend works for Nebula consideration. But those recommendations are not counted toward the final ballot.

While I only voted for one Nebula Award preliminary and final ballot under the old system, I was amazed at how clunky the system was. And while the final ballot voting under both rules was/is private, under the old rules you first had to make public votes for the preliminary ballot, which is where the logrolling occurred. And since the final ballot under the old rules was a direct result of the preliminary ballot voting, this had a major effect on the Nebula Award outcomes.

That said, while I don't have a problem with the runny tally for the final ballot being shown to members, I also wouldn't mind if they didn't show this. That might be a way to even further reduce the influence of logrolling.

While I agree that the end result was a wonderful final ballot, I can't help but note that the process itself felt far more crass this year than it ever has before. During the final week, I was barraged with pleas via LiveJournal, Twitter, and Facebook to help get stories onto the ballot at a volume far above anything I've ever experienced before. Maybe it only seemed worse than usual because the timeframe is now condensed, but seeing that endless begging out there was quite unsettling.

"... And while the final ballot voting under both rules was/is private, under the old rules you first had to make public votes for the preliminary ballot"

Again: you are confusing recommending and voting, and you are leaving out a step.

To repeat: the "new" rules, where the content of the final ballot is chosen by a secret ballot, is exactly the same as the old rule. The preliminary ballot voting is secret now, and it was secret then.

Poor use of wording on my part, and yes, there was a step in between. Yes, under the old rules the "voting" for the preliminary ballot was technically only recommending, in that members recommended stories and works for the preliminary ballot. Members then voted--in a secret vote--for the finalists, and then voted again for the overall winner. I understand all that.

That said, to me the recommendation process was voting in all but name since works that received a certain number of "recommendations" made the preliminary ballot. That is why I keep using the term vote. That's the step in the process I didn't like because "recommending" stories carried the weight of a vote, and by being public is was heavily subject to logrolling.

But to be more precise, I shouldn't use the term vote when describing the process of selection the old preliminary ballot. Thanks for correcting me.

@Scottedelman: I wonder if the barrage you described is more a result of the use of the internet. I've noticed a similar increase of "pleas via LiveJournal, Twitter, and Facebook to help get stories onto the ballot at a volume far above anything I've ever experienced before" with regard to the Hugo ballot now that the deadline for that is approaching.

I do wonder if perhaps the preliminary voting should be shown to the SFWA membership at all. I know that when I was calling to inform nominees, one of them asked if there were any changes from the last time he looked at the tallies.

I'm sorry to see the jury addition go from the process, although I've discussed that with Russell and understand his reasons for wanting to do away with it.

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