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December 19, 2009

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I've never understood what it is that makes an SF story "positive." Isn't a happy ending positive? Most science fiction has that, even if everything building up to it seems bad. There are obvious exceptions (1984 didn't end happy, though the 1984 movie left us with a slightly more positive note). I'm going to read the anthology when it comes out, but right now I can't imagine how to write a story that is positive all through. What would the conflict be? Solving a problem? That wouldn't work for me. I'd be bored out of my mind. I need conflict and bad guys.

I guess I'll wait and see when the anthology comes out.

I'm not sure that analysing the past of SF helps much, there are too many variables: literature is a product of it's time, maturity of the genre, the technology of the world when the novels were written etc. So whilst you can look back and make valid comments about the Golden Age of SF, I personally don't think that they will be particularly relevant to now.

However when you say "..SF's outlook on humanity's future. That humanity is able to always find a solution to the problems we create." that's exactly how I interpret Jetse's manifesto (for want of a better word).

It seems to me that it's actually easier to pull some optimism out of a dystopia, because you can say "look the worlds gone to hell and we still delivered letters" or something. And that's fine, and it can give us hope in humanity. Harder is starting from now, near future, and thinking how on earth (literally!) can we make this better?

Although it is undoubtedly difficult for SF writers to be ahead of scientific solutions for problems, there is one advantage: SF Writers can make stuff up! Science can be glacial at times, waiting for consensus and statistics and evidence (well, unless you're a theoretical physicist ;-) ). Writers can make a few assumptions and head off on a journey of fiction. The fact that not many people seem to be doing it (or rather, getting published doing it) is actually surprising.

SMD: Optimism doesn't negate conflict. You can still have a conflict, bad guys and a problem. Pacific Edge by Kim Stanley Robinson is my favourite example of this.

I agree with what you're saying. Science fiction isn't actually science, much as we like to tout our genre's influence on scientists via things like cell phones/communicators. Science fiction writers are probably not going to provide the means for solving the world's scientific ills. Utopian fiction sometimes provides ways for thinking about how social problems could be solved, and here I'm thinking of fiction like Woman on the Edge of Time which imagines both positive and negative futures. But the real solutions to social problems are unlikely to look exactly like utopian fiction as I'm sure everyone basically agrees.

My issue with Jetse's bizarre diatribe was his insistence that the only fiction that was "grown up" was his own hobby horse of optimistic SF. Feh on this stupid carping about other subgenres. It was stupid when the mundane SF folk did it and stupid when Jetse did it. I hope Jetse reconsiders this silliness.

(and I did want to add that I think the project of optimistic SF is inherently a good one. Jetse is right to say that there's room for more of this, and a need for more of this. It's a good idea and should produce good fiction. It's just the *only* kind of good fiction...)

Great points all around.

I should add that I'm really excited about Jetse's anthology and hope it lands as much attention as it deserves. I know it's the one anthology I'm certain to purchase next year.

"I should add that I'm really excited about Jetse's anthology and hope it lands as much attention as it deserves. I know it's the one anthology I'm certain to purchase next year."

Ditto.

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